1 00:00:11,910 --> 00:00:09,110 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:11,920 from Australia for science and reason 3 00:00:16,900 --> 00:00:13,930 [Music] 4 00:00:23,140 --> 00:00:16,910 [Applause] 5 00:00:25,940 --> 00:00:23,150 [Music] 6 00:00:30,410 --> 00:00:25,950 hello and welcome to the skeptic zone 7 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:30,420 podcast episode number 591 for the 9th 8 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:32,970 of February 2022 night coming to you 9 00:00:42,950 --> 00:00:40,050 live from Sydney skeptics in the pub are 10 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:42,960 you so spontaneous thank you very much 11 00:00:47,110 --> 00:00:45,690 on today's episode we have a special 12 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:47,120 report on homeopathy 13 00:00:52,470 --> 00:00:48,489 [Music] 14 00:00:55,110 --> 00:00:52,480 I recently when I was in the United 15 00:00:57,689 --> 00:00:55,120 States I came across a free booklet from 16 00:00:59,819 --> 00:00:57,699 the boron company which is a major 17 00:01:02,189 --> 00:00:59,829 supplier of homeopathy in the United 18 00:01:03,660 --> 00:01:02,199 States so a big report about that also 19 00:01:06,330 --> 00:01:03,670 coming up on this week's show 20 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:06,340 Maynard at skeptics in the pub asking 21 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:08,290 the big question tonight which is 22 00:01:22,919 --> 00:01:19,690 Maynard Maynard is going to be asking 23 00:01:26,370 --> 00:01:22,929 people about what is the craziest food 24 00:01:28,859 --> 00:01:26,380 you've ever eaten the strangest dish 25 00:01:34,139 --> 00:01:28,869 that you've eaten may not be doing that 26 00:01:36,180 --> 00:01:34,149 a bit later on the Japanese the Blowfish 27 00:01:37,889 --> 00:01:36,190 does may not all that's coming up on 28 00:01:39,899 --> 00:01:37,899 this week's episode but now it's time 29 00:01:41,340 --> 00:01:39,909 for me to run to the bar and have 30 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:41,350 another drink and while I'm doing that I 31 00:01:45,580 --> 00:01:42,970 hope you at home enjoy this week's 32 00:01:46,980 --> 00:01:45,590 episode of the skeptic zone 33 00:01:47,850 --> 00:01:46,990 [Applause] 34 00:01:50,290 --> 00:01:47,860 [Music] 35 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:50,300 [Applause] 36 00:02:15,320 --> 00:01:57,690 [Music] 37 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:15,330 one of the pleasures I get when visiting 38 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:17,970 another country is to simply go shopping 39 00:02:24,110 --> 00:02:21,530 I guess it's the appeal of the exotic 40 00:02:26,509 --> 00:02:24,120 yes I know then in a supermarket in 41 00:02:28,640 --> 00:02:26,519 California I'm not going to find too 42 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:28,650 much that is very different from what I 43 00:02:33,860 --> 00:02:30,690 might get in a supermarket in Sydney 44 00:02:35,780 --> 00:02:33,870 Australia nevertheless it is fun to buy 45 00:02:39,410 --> 00:02:35,790 products I normally cannot get at home 46 00:02:41,660 --> 00:02:39,420 root beer anyone not too long ago I 47 00:02:44,900 --> 00:02:41,670 found myself wandering the aisles of 48 00:02:47,750 --> 00:02:44,910 Whole Foods Market in Lafayette 49 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:47,760 California it's sort of a supermarket 50 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:50,610 for those who want to at least try to be 51 00:02:54,170 --> 00:02:51,450 more healthy 52 00:02:58,520 --> 00:02:54,180 maybe more mindful of the planet and 53 00:02:59,960 --> 00:02:58,530 other fuzzy feelings nevertheless I like 54 00:03:02,690 --> 00:02:59,970 the range of products on offer 55 00:03:03,410 --> 00:03:02,700 the cheese section in particular caught 56 00:03:05,500 --> 00:03:03,420 my eye 57 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:05,510 it wasn't my nose 58 00:03:12,150 --> 00:03:08,730 [Music] 59 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:12,160 then I came to the whole body aisle 60 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:15,250 which was brimming on both sides with no 61 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:17,890 end of vitamins and supplements amongst 62 00:03:24,090 --> 00:03:20,890 this dazzling range of Wonders including 63 00:03:27,900 --> 00:03:24,100 organic wheat grass and green superfood 64 00:03:30,870 --> 00:03:27,910 was something called and I kid you not 65 00:03:33,830 --> 00:03:30,880 wellness formula then right at the 66 00:03:35,790 --> 00:03:33,840 corner on a prime shelf position 67 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:35,800 companies pay more to have their 68 00:03:40,380 --> 00:03:38,170 products within easy reach was the 69 00:03:43,580 --> 00:03:40,390 product display and dispenser from the 70 00:03:47,660 --> 00:03:43,590 boron company who build themselves as 71 00:03:50,970 --> 00:03:47,670 world leader in homeopathic medicines 72 00:03:54,330 --> 00:03:50,980 boron has been in operation since 1932 73 00:03:56,580 --> 00:03:54,340 and I guess you could cut people living 74 00:04:00,240 --> 00:03:56,590 in the 30s a little slack for believing 75 00:04:02,490 --> 00:04:00,250 in homeopathy but in the 2020s the 76 00:04:05,820 --> 00:04:02,500 display was eye-catching and I'm sure 77 00:04:07,830 --> 00:04:05,830 many of my US listeners know exactly 78 00:04:10,530 --> 00:04:07,840 what I'm talking about as the same 79 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:10,540 display can be found in many outlets 80 00:04:19,280 --> 00:04:14,850 across the country including pharmacies 81 00:04:22,890 --> 00:04:19,290 so I'm walking up to a pharmacy in 82 00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:22,900 California in the San Francisco Bay Area 83 00:04:32,250 --> 00:04:28,110 in the greater Bay Area it's a nice 84 00:04:37,230 --> 00:04:32,260 later winter's morning and this 85 00:04:40,530 --> 00:04:37,240 particular pharmacy is in the chain of C 86 00:04:44,390 --> 00:04:40,540 and ve s a huge chain of pharmacies 87 00:04:51,170 --> 00:04:47,570 but I have found there's a big sign here 88 00:04:53,270 --> 00:04:51,180 it says that CBS truth is an important 89 00:04:56,450 --> 00:04:53,280 ingredient we require that all 90 00:05:00,560 --> 00:04:56,460 supplements are third-party tested to 91 00:05:05,330 --> 00:05:00,570 contain what they claim the choices we 92 00:05:13,820 --> 00:05:05,340 make make CBS different tested to be 93 00:05:17,750 --> 00:05:13,830 trusted and here is some of the range 94 00:05:21,939 --> 00:05:17,760 from the byron company non-drowsy no 95 00:05:27,469 --> 00:05:21,949 drug interactions homeopathic medicine 96 00:05:30,620 --> 00:05:27,479 so much for their sign the small blue 97 00:05:33,650 --> 00:05:30,630 tubes of pills are displayed in a row 98 00:05:37,700 --> 00:05:33,660 and can be easily extracted for purchase 99 00:05:40,730 --> 00:05:37,710 not sure what medication you need each 100 00:05:43,370 --> 00:05:40,740 magazine tubes take one out and another 101 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:43,380 one falls in its place is found under a 102 00:05:50,510 --> 00:05:46,530 helpful description for example there 103 00:05:54,710 --> 00:05:50,520 are pills for sudden hot flash sunstroke 104 00:06:00,500 --> 00:05:54,720 and headache glow no innum 30 C or even 105 00:06:03,950 --> 00:06:00,510 mild or low fever Ferrum 30 C and stage 106 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:03,960 fright apprehension and fever go 107 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:08,930 psyllium simple viren's 30 C sounds so 108 00:06:15,230 --> 00:06:12,450 scientific under this dispenser were 109 00:06:18,050 --> 00:06:15,240 piles of small booklets with the word 110 00:06:22,060 --> 00:06:18,060 free naturally I am picked up one for 111 00:06:25,339 --> 00:06:22,070 research so now I have in my possession 112 00:06:28,100 --> 00:06:25,349 what is more or less a sales catalog 113 00:06:31,250 --> 00:06:28,110 booklet 20 centimeters by 9 centimeters 114 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:31,260 and 40 odd pages not too big with the 115 00:06:37,310 --> 00:06:35,010 words free easy guide to homeopathic 116 00:06:39,770 --> 00:06:37,320 medicines now that got my attention 117 00:06:42,620 --> 00:06:39,780 right from the start as I was surprised 118 00:06:46,250 --> 00:06:42,630 to see the use of the word medicines and 119 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:46,260 not something like remedies large 120 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:47,970 pharmaceutical companies selling 121 00:06:55,700 --> 00:06:51,090 alternative medicine tend to use more 122 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:55,710 weasel words like may assist or has been 123 00:07:00,149 --> 00:06:57,610 used or 124 00:07:02,339 --> 00:07:00,159 it's indicate but then again when they 125 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:02,349 can get away with it they will call it 126 00:07:07,409 --> 00:07:04,810 whatever they can so I looked up the 127 00:07:12,149 --> 00:07:07,419 meaning of the word medicine in 128 00:07:16,709 --> 00:07:12,159 Webster's dictionary medicine now Men is 129 00:07:20,879 --> 00:07:16,719 sin pronunciation medicine British 130 00:07:25,830 --> 00:07:20,889 usually medicine definition of medicine 131 00:07:29,390 --> 00:07:25,840 1a a substance or preparation used in 132 00:07:33,409 --> 00:07:29,400 treating disease example cough medicine 133 00:07:39,499 --> 00:07:33,419 be something that affects well-being 134 00:07:43,290 --> 00:07:39,509 example he's bad medicine Zane Grey 2a 135 00:07:45,830 --> 00:07:43,300 the science and art of dealing with the 136 00:07:49,559 --> 00:07:45,840 maintenance of health and the prevention 137 00:07:53,089 --> 00:07:49,569 alleviation or cure of a disease example 138 00:07:57,119 --> 00:07:53,099 she's interested in a career in medicine 139 00:08:01,110 --> 00:07:57,129 be the branch of medicine concerned with 140 00:08:04,559 --> 00:08:01,120 the non-surgical treatment of disease 3 141 00:08:07,559 --> 00:08:04,569 a substance such as a drug or potion 142 00:08:11,909 --> 00:08:07,569 used to treat something other than 143 00:08:14,519 --> 00:08:11,919 disease for an object held in 144 00:08:16,980 --> 00:08:14,529 traditional American Indian belief to 145 00:08:21,149 --> 00:08:16,990 give control over natural or magical 146 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:21,159 forces also magical power or a magical 147 00:08:27,959 --> 00:08:25,930 right well it looks like here at least 148 00:08:30,450 --> 00:08:27,969 the definition of the word medicine is 149 00:08:33,209 --> 00:08:30,460 somewhat more broad than I thought 150 00:08:35,459 --> 00:08:33,219 having regarded it as more or less a 151 00:08:37,980 --> 00:08:35,469 result of a scientific process in 152 00:08:42,329 --> 00:08:37,990 something that at the end of the day 153 00:08:45,540 --> 00:08:42,339 actually works I headed over to the 154 00:08:48,509 --> 00:08:45,550 boron web site and discovered tools to 155 00:08:51,389 --> 00:08:48,519 easily find my nearest stockist their 156 00:08:54,329 --> 00:08:51,399 product range their online store how you 157 00:08:57,060 --> 00:08:54,339 can download their app and links to most 158 00:08:59,040 --> 00:08:57,070 popular social media outlets Twitter 159 00:09:00,930 --> 00:08:59,050 Facebook and so on I checked their 160 00:09:05,130 --> 00:09:00,940 Twitter account and it seems to be 161 00:09:07,650 --> 00:09:05,140 updated many times a day yes it's a 162 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:07,660 typical business website on the page 163 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:11,050 labeled education and training 164 00:09:18,030 --> 00:09:14,610 found an embedded youtube video entitled 165 00:09:18,449 --> 00:09:18,040 boron manufacturing process it's worth a 166 00:09:22,019 --> 00:09:18,459 look 167 00:09:24,780 --> 00:09:22,029 and a giggle it's interesting that the 168 00:09:27,780 --> 00:09:24,790 video was shot in 4:3 size and not 169 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:27,790 widescreen which means in all likelihood 170 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:30,730 the video is somewhat old the video 171 00:09:34,380 --> 00:09:32,410 itself gives the impression that the 172 00:09:37,170 --> 00:09:34,390 whole process of manufacturing 173 00:09:39,870 --> 00:09:37,180 homeopathic pills is very scientific 174 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:39,880 lots of people in lab codes taking 175 00:09:45,530 --> 00:09:42,010 measurements lots of very sophisticated 176 00:09:48,540 --> 00:09:45,540 looking scientific apparatus and so on 177 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:48,550 but it does show the basic idea of 178 00:09:53,490 --> 00:09:51,370 homeopathy this process is sort of 179 00:09:55,889 --> 00:09:53,500 explained in the video once the 180 00:09:58,530 --> 00:09:55,899 homeopathic mother tincture or the first 181 00:10:01,829 --> 00:09:58,540 liquid dilution is obtained one can 182 00:10:04,680 --> 00:10:01,839 start the dilution process to do this 183 00:10:08,060 --> 00:10:04,690 one part of mother tincture is diluted 184 00:10:11,220 --> 00:10:08,070 in 99 parts of hydro alcoholic solution 185 00:10:14,190 --> 00:10:11,230 the liquid is then vigorously shaken in 186 00:10:17,100 --> 00:10:14,200 a calibrated device this process is 187 00:10:20,220 --> 00:10:17,110 called succussion the result is called 188 00:10:22,740 --> 00:10:20,230 1c it is then repeated to prepare the 189 00:10:25,500 --> 00:10:22,750 recurring delusions 30 times for 190 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:25,510 instance to get a 30 say pellets are the 191 00:10:31,319 --> 00:10:28,050 usual form of homeopathic medicines 192 00:10:33,569 --> 00:10:31,329 multi dose tubes contain large granules 193 00:10:36,630 --> 00:10:33,579 and unit dose tubes contain small 194 00:10:38,790 --> 00:10:36,640 globules the video goes on to show that 195 00:10:41,010 --> 00:10:38,800 the finished solution and we would have 196 00:10:43,980 --> 00:10:41,020 to imagine it contains none of the 197 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:43,990 original plant or minerals is sprayed 198 00:10:49,340 --> 00:10:48,370 onto sugar pills yes it's as bizarre as 199 00:10:54,060 --> 00:10:49,350 it sounds 200 00:10:57,060 --> 00:10:54,070 many many many more videos can be found 201 00:10:59,519 --> 00:10:57,070 at the boron youtube channel with clips 202 00:11:02,100 --> 00:10:59,529 going back 12 years or at least that's 203 00:11:04,380 --> 00:11:02,110 when the first one was uploaded here we 204 00:11:07,590 --> 00:11:04,390 also find glowing recommendations for 205 00:11:10,319 --> 00:11:07,600 boron's homeopathic range from people 206 00:11:12,030 --> 00:11:10,329 with many letters after their name one 207 00:11:21,350 --> 00:11:12,040 of these people is homeopathy 208 00:11:23,680 --> 00:11:21,360 joette calabrese h m c CC h RS h om na 209 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:23,690 so many letters 210 00:11:30,750 --> 00:11:27,530 after a bit of hunting I discovered H MC 211 00:11:34,030 --> 00:11:30,760 this designation was awarded to Jo it in 212 00:11:37,210 --> 00:11:34,040 1998 after having studied two years in 213 00:11:38,500 --> 00:11:37,220 class with master homeopathy Lewis Kline 214 00:11:41,470 --> 00:11:38,510 of Canada 215 00:11:44,610 --> 00:11:41,480 it stands for homeopathic master 216 00:11:50,340 --> 00:11:44,620 clinician and as a post graduate degree 217 00:11:53,110 --> 00:11:50,350 hmm h HC this stands for certified 218 00:11:57,190 --> 00:11:53,120 classical homeopathy through the Council 219 00:12:00,670 --> 00:11:57,200 of homeopathic certification C HC it 220 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:00,680 means Jo it is a member of an accredited 221 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:03,170 organization that is dedicated to 222 00:12:07,810 --> 00:12:05,210 maintaining high standards of homeopathy 223 00:12:09,220 --> 00:12:07,820 in North America requirements for 224 00:12:12,610 --> 00:12:09,230 admission are rigorous 225 00:12:15,300 --> 00:12:12,620 they include proof of completed college 226 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:15,310 a postgraduate schooling in homeopathy 227 00:12:20,620 --> 00:12:18,410 member recommendation minimum five years 228 00:12:22,870 --> 00:12:20,630 clinical experience with notarized 229 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:22,880 confirmation letters professional 230 00:12:28,620 --> 00:12:25,850 references written and oral exams essays 231 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:28,630 written proof of cases and peer review 232 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:34,370 rs h om na stands for registered member 233 00:12:39,010 --> 00:12:36,290 of the north american society of 234 00:12:42,010 --> 00:12:39,020 homeopathy and we also have an extra one 235 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:42,020 in a sh requirements 236 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:44,450 proof of completion of the 237 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:47,210 above-mentioned education and adherence 238 00:12:52,450 --> 00:12:49,610 to the rules and ethics of practice all 239 00:12:55,180 --> 00:12:52,460 this for practicing something based on 240 00:12:58,210 --> 00:12:55,190 magical thinking and doesn't even work 241 00:13:01,600 --> 00:12:58,220 but that's her career and i dare say her 242 00:13:04,390 --> 00:13:01,610 life she is a homeopathy so to her it 243 00:13:08,650 --> 00:13:04,400 must all make sense and works without a 244 00:13:12,340 --> 00:13:08,660 shadow of a doubt but it seems for her 245 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:12,350 and her ilk the Wolves might be howling 246 00:13:16,930 --> 00:13:15,050 up the door for when I visited her web 247 00:13:19,329 --> 00:13:16,940 site I noticed a link right at the top 248 00:13:21,610 --> 00:13:19,339 of the page that takes you to another 249 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:21,620 website with a flyer you can download 250 00:13:28,750 --> 00:13:26,210 and pass around save homeopathy the FDA 251 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:28,760 is proposing rules for homeopathy that 252 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:30,650 could regulate it out of existence 253 00:13:37,060 --> 00:13:34,010 please go to our website and submit a 254 00:13:40,510 --> 00:13:37,070 comment to the FDA and your represent 255 00:13:43,270 --> 00:13:40,520 lives in DC it only takes a minute share 256 00:13:47,230 --> 00:13:43,280 with your friends and family deadline 257 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:47,240 March 23 2020 this might be worth 258 00:13:51,670 --> 00:13:49,490 keeping an eye on but it's not only 259 00:13:54,580 --> 00:13:51,680 homeopaths making an appearance in the 260 00:13:57,580 --> 00:13:54,590 long list of videos we have people who 261 00:14:00,510 --> 00:13:57,590 remind me of something James Randi once 262 00:14:03,910 --> 00:14:00,520 told me no matter how crazy the idea 263 00:14:06,970 --> 00:14:03,920 you'll always find a PhD who supports it 264 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:06,980 a case in point on the videos from Jim 265 00:14:13,300 --> 00:14:09,770 Morelli a registered pharmacist from 266 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:13,310 Massachusetts and Ken REDCROSS MD from 267 00:14:19,990 --> 00:14:16,090 New York both men are happy to endorse 268 00:14:22,660 --> 00:14:20,000 Boren homeopathic products you'd think 269 00:14:24,820 --> 00:14:22,670 they'd know better but getting back to 270 00:14:26,890 --> 00:14:24,830 the booklet what I'll do now is I'll 271 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:26,900 read with the help of Heidi Robinson 272 00:14:32,140 --> 00:14:29,570 from the Q&A section found in the front 273 00:14:41,510 --> 00:14:32,150 of the booklet and comment on the 13 274 00:14:49,710 --> 00:14:45,060 question 1 what are homeopathic 275 00:14:52,140 --> 00:14:49,720 medicines homeopathic medicines have 276 00:14:56,340 --> 00:14:52,150 been used by generations of physicians 277 00:14:59,520 --> 00:14:56,350 for more than 200 years to address many 278 00:15:01,980 --> 00:14:59,530 acute illnesses millions of patients 279 00:15:04,970 --> 00:15:01,990 around the world rely on these medicines 280 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:04,980 to help relieve symptoms of flu 281 00:15:12,590 --> 00:15:08,530 allergies coughs colds muscle pain 282 00:15:15,180 --> 00:15:12,600 teething and other common conditions 283 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:15,190 these medicines contain active 284 00:15:22,470 --> 00:15:18,010 ingredients derived from highly diluted 285 00:15:25,410 --> 00:15:22,480 plants minerals and animals in the 286 00:15:27,420 --> 00:15:25,420 United States homeopathic medicines are 287 00:15:31,020 --> 00:15:27,430 manufactured under strict accordance 288 00:15:34,380 --> 00:15:31,030 with the homeopathic pharmacopoeia of 289 00:15:37,490 --> 00:15:34,390 the United States and good manufacturing 290 00:15:40,490 --> 00:15:37,500 practices they are regulated as a 291 00:15:44,130 --> 00:15:40,500 homeopathic drug by the Food and Drug 292 00:15:46,830 --> 00:15:44,140 Administration some conditions require 293 00:15:49,860 --> 00:15:46,840 diagnosis and treatment by a healthcare 294 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:49,870 professional if symptoms persist or 295 00:15:57,620 --> 00:15:53,610 worsen seek medical attention right away 296 00:15:59,280 --> 00:15:57,630 always read and follow label directions 297 00:16:02,730 --> 00:15:59,290 my comments 298 00:16:05,970 --> 00:16:02,740 did you notice some logical fallacies we 299 00:16:08,850 --> 00:16:05,980 have the appeal to authority used by 300 00:16:12,210 --> 00:16:08,860 generations of physicians the appeal to 301 00:16:15,290 --> 00:16:12,220 antiquity or tradition for more than 200 302 00:16:19,140 --> 00:16:15,300 years and the appeal to popularity 303 00:16:22,070 --> 00:16:19,150 millions of patients these medicines 304 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:22,080 contain active ingredients do they 305 00:16:26,460 --> 00:16:23,290 really 306 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:26,470 maybe that should read these medicines 307 00:16:30,330 --> 00:16:28,210 once we're in contact with something 308 00:16:32,210 --> 00:16:30,340 that is derived from something that once 309 00:16:37,620 --> 00:16:32,220 was in contact with part of a plant or 310 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:37,630 something like that question 2 is there 311 00:16:42,540 --> 00:16:40,090 any scientific research on homeopathic 312 00:16:44,940 --> 00:16:42,550 medicines an increasing number of 313 00:16:47,460 --> 00:16:44,950 scientific studies on homeopathic 314 00:16:50,180 --> 00:16:47,470 medicines are being conducted and 315 00:16:54,210 --> 00:16:50,190 published in peer-reviewed journals 316 00:16:56,970 --> 00:16:54,220 clinical research is providing evidence 317 00:17:00,440 --> 00:16:56,980 of the efficacy of homeopathic medicines 318 00:17:03,420 --> 00:17:00,450 and basic laboratory research is 319 00:17:07,290 --> 00:17:03,430 confirming the biological activity of 320 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:07,300 highly diluted substances and helping 321 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:09,610 the scientific community better 322 00:17:16,500 --> 00:17:14,050 understand their mechanism of action my 323 00:17:18,900 --> 00:17:16,510 comments there may well be more and more 324 00:17:20,490 --> 00:17:18,910 scientific studies into homeopathy but 325 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:20,500 the results are not what the industry 326 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:23,770 wants to hear where the outcomes are 327 00:17:28,740 --> 00:17:25,690 good it's more likely they are the 328 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:28,750 results of poorly conducted trials all 329 00:17:34,620 --> 00:17:31,570 over the world with the UK leading the 330 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:34,630 way homeopathy is coming under fire and 331 00:17:40,260 --> 00:17:37,570 is being taken out of mainstream health 332 00:17:42,990 --> 00:17:40,270 care if the scientific studies did 333 00:17:46,830 --> 00:17:43,000 indeed support it this would not be the 334 00:17:49,850 --> 00:17:46,840 case unless like many in the altmed 335 00:17:52,830 --> 00:17:49,860 industries you believe in conspiracies 336 00:17:55,980 --> 00:17:52,840 question 3 what are the benefits of 337 00:17:58,430 --> 00:17:55,990 homeopathic medicines Borum homeopathic 338 00:18:01,680 --> 00:17:58,440 medicines do not cause drowsiness or 339 00:18:05,220 --> 00:18:01,690 sleeplessness and they have no known 340 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:05,230 drug interactions there is a low risk of 341 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:07,690 side effects when taking homeopathic 342 00:18:14,090 --> 00:18:08,730 medicines 343 00:18:17,220 --> 00:18:14,100 choice for self treatable conditions 344 00:18:19,770 --> 00:18:17,230 they work best when taken at the first 345 00:18:22,700 --> 00:18:19,780 sign of symptoms which is the best time 346 00:18:25,650 --> 00:18:22,710 to help your body ward off illnesses 347 00:18:28,020 --> 00:18:25,660 some disorders require diagnosis and 348 00:18:30,180 --> 00:18:28,030 treatment by adopter always read and 349 00:18:32,610 --> 00:18:30,190 follow label directions if symptoms 350 00:18:38,070 --> 00:18:32,620 persist or worsen seek medical attention 351 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:38,080 promptly my comments there's a saying no 352 00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:41,890 side effects means no effects all drugs 353 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:44,320 have side effects even if those effects 354 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:47,890 are minimal and benign for something 355 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:51,130 posing as medicine something you ingest 356 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:53,530 the claim it has no side effects or 357 00:18:58,650 --> 00:18:55,690 known known interaction with any other 358 00:19:01,050 --> 00:18:58,660 drug means that it probably has no 359 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:01,060 effects on the body at all let alone 360 00:19:07,730 --> 00:19:05,050 medical effects question 4 how are 361 00:19:10,430 --> 00:19:07,740 homeopathic medicines presented 362 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:10,440 homeopathic medicines are presented with 363 00:19:16,700 --> 00:19:13,410 very clear and specific indications and 364 00:19:19,610 --> 00:19:16,710 directions for use they are available 365 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:19,620 either as blue tube single medicines 366 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:22,650 only one active ingredient or as a 367 00:19:29,150 --> 00:19:26,250 company specific brand of medicine most 368 00:19:31,340 --> 00:19:29,160 with multiple active ingredients the 369 00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:31,350 branded medicines are available in a 370 00:19:38,120 --> 00:19:34,320 variety of dosage forms such as tablets 371 00:19:42,020 --> 00:19:38,130 gels pointment scream syrups eyedrops 372 00:19:45,290 --> 00:19:42,030 and suppositories these branded products 373 00:19:47,090 --> 00:19:45,300 make selecting a medicine easier so that 374 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:47,100 those who are not yet familiar with 375 00:19:54,799 --> 00:19:51,210 homeopathy can discover the benefits my 376 00:19:56,900 --> 00:19:54,809 comments that's nice if they are all 377 00:19:59,600 --> 00:19:56,910 homeopathic it really wouldn't matter 378 00:20:02,810 --> 00:19:59,610 how they are presented or what the label 379 00:20:05,919 --> 00:20:02,820 says they do however for sales I can see 380 00:20:09,650 --> 00:20:05,929 the benefit of having a wide range 381 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:09,660 question 5 when should I choose a blue 382 00:20:17,299 --> 00:20:13,410 tube single medicine in some instances 383 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:17,309 your symptoms are so specific that it is 384 00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:20,450 easy to select one single medicine 385 00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:23,760 packaged in Boron's patented multi dose 386 00:20:30,410 --> 00:20:27,600 blue tubes the 83 most commonly used 387 00:20:34,370 --> 00:20:30,420 blue tube single medicines are available 388 00:20:37,549 --> 00:20:34,380 in natural product stores boron carries 389 00:20:40,010 --> 00:20:37,559 hundreds of single medicines in several 390 00:20:42,799 --> 00:20:40,020 delusions which can be special ordered 391 00:20:45,470 --> 00:20:42,809 through these stores many self 392 00:20:48,010 --> 00:20:45,480 medication books are available to help 393 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:48,020 you in your single medicine selection 394 00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:51,090 including homeopathic solutions made 395 00:20:57,290 --> 00:20:54,240 easy you can also use the boron 396 00:21:02,090 --> 00:20:57,300 homeopathic medicine finder available at 397 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:02,100 boron usa.com or as a free app my 398 00:21:09,260 --> 00:21:05,010 comments I refer you to my last comment 399 00:21:11,660 --> 00:21:09,270 if the products are homeopathic that is 400 00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:11,670 having no active ingredients it wouldn't 401 00:21:19,169 --> 00:21:15,600 make a blind bit of difference question 402 00:21:23,129 --> 00:21:19,179 6 what is a homeopathic dilution 403 00:21:26,719 --> 00:21:23,139 a homeopathic medicine is obtained from 404 00:21:30,539 --> 00:21:26,729 a precise and controlled process of 405 00:21:33,539 --> 00:21:30,549 successive homeopathic dilutions with 406 00:21:37,739 --> 00:21:33,549 each homeopathic dilution the medicine 407 00:21:41,729 --> 00:21:37,749 is d concentrated and then vigorously 408 00:21:44,879 --> 00:21:41,739 shaken also called succussion this 409 00:21:49,339 --> 00:21:44,889 process transforms the original solution 410 00:21:53,310 --> 00:21:49,349 into a therapeutically active medicine 411 00:21:55,739 --> 00:21:53,320 my comments may be it does in another 412 00:21:58,079 --> 00:21:55,749 universe much like our own but with 413 00:22:01,469 --> 00:21:58,089 different laws of physics but this 414 00:22:08,039 --> 00:22:01,479 principle or ritual is a keystone of 415 00:22:11,579 --> 00:22:08,049 homeopathy less is more question 7 which 416 00:22:14,609 --> 00:22:11,589 homeopathic dilution should I choose the 417 00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:14,619 level of dilution does not correspond to 418 00:22:22,739 --> 00:22:17,200 the strength of the homeopathic medicine 419 00:22:25,529 --> 00:22:22,749 a 30 C is not stronger than a 6 C the 420 00:22:29,039 --> 00:22:25,539 difference is in the level of action 421 00:22:32,700 --> 00:22:29,049 while a 6 C is suitable for local 422 00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:32,710 symptoms a 30 C or higher is more 423 00:22:38,329 --> 00:22:35,440 appropriate for general and behavioral 424 00:22:42,299 --> 00:22:38,339 symptoms such as a fever rash 425 00:22:45,989 --> 00:22:42,309 apprehension or sleeplessness my 426 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:45,999 comments wait what so they are saying 427 00:22:51,899 --> 00:22:48,369 that something that has no active 428 00:22:54,419 --> 00:22:51,909 substance is not as strong as something 429 00:22:57,589 --> 00:22:54,429 else that has no active substance but 430 00:23:01,440 --> 00:22:57,599 nevertheless has a different action 431 00:23:03,409 --> 00:23:01,450 action even Alice didn't go that far 432 00:23:06,389 --> 00:23:03,419 down the rabbit hole 433 00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:06,399 question 8 how should I read a 434 00:23:13,529 --> 00:23:08,320 homeopathic medicine labels such as 435 00:23:16,529 --> 00:23:13,539 Arnica Montana 30 C Arnica Montana is 436 00:23:20,399 --> 00:23:16,539 the Latin name of the source material a 437 00:23:22,999 --> 00:23:20,409 plant from the Daisy family homeopathic 438 00:23:25,889 --> 00:23:23,009 medicines use Latin names the 439 00:23:29,129 --> 00:23:25,899 international scientific denomination 440 00:23:31,769 --> 00:23:29,139 for source materials that 30 441 00:23:32,100 --> 00:23:31,779 indicates that the source material has 442 00:23:37,260 --> 00:23:32,110 been 443 00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:37,270 homeopathic ly diluted 30 times the C 444 00:23:43,740 --> 00:23:41,049 stands for sent s Amal and indicates 445 00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:43,750 that each of the 30 dilutions was made 446 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:50,080 at the rate of 1 in 100 my comments the 447 00:23:55,130 --> 00:23:52,090 tradition is for homeopathy to use Latin 448 00:23:58,799 --> 00:23:55,140 names I guess it makes it sound more 449 00:24:01,470 --> 00:23:58,809 formal or scientific reminds me of a 450 00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:01,480 priest using Latin to exorcise a demon 451 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:06,370 gives more gravitas Christian 9 the 452 00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:08,410 indication on the label of the 453 00:24:15,659 --> 00:24:10,960 multi-dose does not match the symptom 454 00:24:18,510 --> 00:24:15,669 for which my doctor described it why the 455 00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:18,520 same blue tube single medicine may be 456 00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:21,120 useful for several different conditions 457 00:24:30,049 --> 00:24:26,559 for example leaden palestro 30 c can be 458 00:24:35,010 --> 00:24:30,059 indicated for insect bites or bruising 459 00:24:39,630 --> 00:24:35,020 mozzeria 30 c can be indicated for sinus 460 00:24:42,330 --> 00:24:39,640 pain or using crusty skin rash due to 461 00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:42,340 the small size of the container we print 462 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:44,320 the most common indication for each 463 00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:47,770 medicine on the label therefore the 464 00:24:51,539 --> 00:24:49,120 condition for which your doctor 465 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:51,549 prescribed the medicine may not be 466 00:24:59,299 --> 00:24:56,250 listed on the label my comment doctor 467 00:25:03,150 --> 00:24:59,309 doctor what doctor would prescribe 468 00:25:06,450 --> 00:25:03,160 homeopathy sadly there are some real GPS 469 00:25:08,370 --> 00:25:06,460 who do but another point to remember is 470 00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:08,380 that in the United States especially 471 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:10,809 more and more alternative medicine 472 00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:12,970 practitioners are referring to 473 00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:16,960 themselves as doctor also again I make 474 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:18,640 the point that how can something with no 475 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:21,010 active ingredients be any different from 476 00:25:27,810 --> 00:25:23,290 something else that has no active 477 00:25:31,020 --> 00:25:27,820 ingredients question 10 how do I take a 478 00:25:31,770 --> 00:25:31,030 homeopathic medicine for your 479 00:25:34,140 --> 00:25:31,780 convenience 480 00:25:37,409 --> 00:25:34,150 boron homeopathic medicines are 481 00:25:40,770 --> 00:25:37,419 available in a variety of forms syrups 482 00:25:44,030 --> 00:25:40,780 liquid unit doses suppositories creams 483 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:44,040 gels eyedrops tablets and pellets to 484 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:45,610 best address 485 00:25:51,210 --> 00:25:48,850 your symptoms label directions vary by 486 00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:51,220 medicine always read and follow label 487 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:54,130 directions when taking one of our 488 00:25:58,650 --> 00:25:56,490 signature blue tube single medicines 489 00:26:01,680 --> 00:25:58,660 pellets should be placed under the 490 00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:01,690 tongue to ensure rapid absorption into 491 00:26:08,190 --> 00:26:04,809 the bloodstream no water chewing or 492 00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:08,200 swallowing is required in general it is 493 00:26:14,940 --> 00:26:10,720 best to address symptoms as early as 494 00:26:17,730 --> 00:26:14,950 possible my comment sorry to keep 495 00:26:19,740 --> 00:26:17,740 harping back to this point but how would 496 00:26:21,630 --> 00:26:19,750 it make any difference how you ingested 497 00:26:23,970 --> 00:26:21,640 something that has no active ingredients 498 00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:23,980 you can rub it on your feet for all the 499 00:26:30,750 --> 00:26:28,960 good it does question 11 how frequently 500 00:26:33,450 --> 00:26:30,760 can I take or should I take a 501 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:33,460 homeopathic medicine follow the 502 00:26:37,710 --> 00:26:35,290 instructions provided by your health 503 00:26:40,770 --> 00:26:37,720 care professional or on the product 504 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:40,780 label when it comes to a blue tube 505 00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:43,090 single medicine general dosage 506 00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:46,000 instructions are 5 pellets three times a 507 00:26:51,780 --> 00:26:48,880 day as a general rule for self 508 00:26:54,110 --> 00:26:51,790 medicating increase the frequency when 509 00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:54,120 the symptoms are sudden and acute 510 00:27:00,440 --> 00:26:57,130 decrease the frequency with improvement 511 00:27:04,169 --> 00:27:00,450 for example upon twisting your ankle 512 00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:04,179 dissolve 5 pellets of Arnica Montana and 513 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:06,370 your tongue every 10 minutes three to 514 00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:09,370 four times then dissolve five pellets 515 00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:11,679 under your tongue three times a day or 516 00:27:21,060 --> 00:27:17,679 as needed my comments okay okay call me 517 00:27:23,549 --> 00:27:21,070 a broken record but well you know but 518 00:27:25,890 --> 00:27:23,559 it's odd or maybe I have it wrong that 519 00:27:28,740 --> 00:27:25,900 in homeopathic lore 520 00:27:30,690 --> 00:27:28,750 something that is more diluted is more 521 00:27:33,780 --> 00:27:30,700 powerful than something that is less 522 00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:33,790 diluted but you should take more pills 523 00:27:40,350 --> 00:27:36,640 when the symptoms are worse which means 524 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:40,360 you are ingesting a weaker dose as the 525 00:27:47,570 --> 00:27:43,690 less sorry this homeopathic rabbit-hole 526 00:27:51,150 --> 00:27:47,580 is getting far too deep or is it shallow 527 00:27:55,070 --> 00:27:51,160 question 12 how do I know I have 528 00:27:58,169 --> 00:27:55,080 selected the right homeopathic medicine 529 00:27:59,280 --> 00:27:58,179 improvement may occur more quickly when 530 00:28:01,770 --> 00:27:59,290 treatment is started 531 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:01,780 at the onset of symptoms particularly in 532 00:28:06,390 --> 00:28:04,810 acute conditions individual product 533 00:28:08,610 --> 00:28:06,400 labels will provide you with more 534 00:28:12,930 --> 00:28:08,620 specific information and directions for 535 00:28:16,380 --> 00:28:12,940 use if symptoms persist or worsen ask a 536 00:28:18,090 --> 00:28:16,390 doctor chronic conditions will require 537 00:28:20,730 --> 00:28:18,100 the attention of a healthcare 538 00:28:24,150 --> 00:28:20,740 professional knowledgeable in homeopathy 539 00:28:27,690 --> 00:28:24,160 and may require more time for 540 00:28:29,250 --> 00:28:27,700 improvement my comments well it's like 541 00:28:31,050 --> 00:28:29,260 asking how do I know if I've eaten the 542 00:28:32,460 --> 00:28:31,060 right colored jellybeans I guess if you 543 00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:32,470 just take the colors away and have the 544 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:36,640 original sugar substance but if we were 545 00:28:42,690 --> 00:28:39,370 to think about what a normal situation 546 00:28:44,130 --> 00:28:42,700 would be if you went to a physician he 547 00:28:47,010 --> 00:28:44,140 or she would advise you on which 548 00:28:48,780 --> 00:28:47,020 medication is the appropriate one to 549 00:28:51,690 --> 00:28:48,790 take but when all the medication is 550 00:28:53,310 --> 00:28:51,700 essentially the same thing maybe I 551 00:28:57,930 --> 00:28:53,320 should start to live down that rabbit 552 00:28:59,910 --> 00:28:57,940 hole question 13 can homeopathic 553 00:29:03,000 --> 00:28:59,920 medicines be taken in conjunction with 554 00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:03,010 other medicines homeopathic medicines 555 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:06,640 for C and above have a low risk of side 556 00:29:11,730 --> 00:29:09,730 effects and no known drug interactions 557 00:29:15,810 --> 00:29:11,740 they can be taken with other 558 00:29:17,790 --> 00:29:15,820 conventional medications my comment of 559 00:29:20,130 --> 00:29:17,800 course they can be taken with other 560 00:29:22,350 --> 00:29:20,140 drugs because they're not a drug there 561 00:29:24,150 --> 00:29:22,360 are no interactions or side effects 562 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:24,160 because there is nothing there to 563 00:29:30,570 --> 00:29:27,130 initiate such an effect and of course I 564 00:29:33,470 --> 00:29:30,580 say that with a disclaimer myself I am 565 00:29:36,660 --> 00:29:33,480 not recommending you take homeopathic 566 00:29:39,450 --> 00:29:36,670 medicine at all to begin with but in 567 00:29:42,330 --> 00:29:39,460 some cases some homeopaths may well make 568 00:29:45,690 --> 00:29:42,340 up a mixture or a concoction that has 569 00:29:50,580 --> 00:29:45,700 some active ingredient so of course the 570 00:29:52,770 --> 00:29:50,590 disclaimer is be wary be careful but the 571 00:29:54,450 --> 00:29:52,780 principle is if it's a true homeopathic 572 00:29:59,520 --> 00:29:54,460 product then it can't have an 573 00:30:02,370 --> 00:29:59,530 interaction with real drugs question 14 574 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:02,380 can I give homeopathic medicines to my 575 00:30:06,570 --> 00:30:05,770 children boron medicines can be given to 576 00:30:09,540 --> 00:30:06,580 a child 577 00:30:11,310 --> 00:30:09,550 however label directions may differ 578 00:30:14,270 --> 00:30:11,320 based on a 579 00:30:16,830 --> 00:30:14,280 always read and follow label directions 580 00:30:18,930 --> 00:30:16,840 if your child is younger than the age 581 00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:18,940 for you specified on the product label 582 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:22,000 or they experience chronic symptoms 583 00:30:28,740 --> 00:30:24,850 please check with your child's health 584 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:28,750 care professional my comments apart from 585 00:30:31,910 --> 00:30:29,410 the obvious 586 00:30:34,890 --> 00:30:31,920 yes we've covered this so many times 587 00:30:38,010 --> 00:30:34,900 there is no active ingredient bla bla 588 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:38,020 bla bla I note the use of the term 589 00:30:44,570 --> 00:30:42,250 health care professional since health 590 00:30:48,060 --> 00:30:44,580 care professional can mean a homeopath 591 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:48,070 naturopath the chiropractor it really is 592 00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:51,490 an almost meaningless term in Australia 593 00:30:55,890 --> 00:30:53,710 when I was growing up and a drug was 594 00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:55,900 advertised on their television or radio 595 00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:58,960 the disclaimer at the end would always 596 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:01,679 say something like if symptoms persist 597 00:31:08,820 --> 00:31:05,890 see your doctor but for many years now 598 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:08,830 this has been replaced with if symptoms 599 00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:11,290 persist see your health care 600 00:31:17,070 --> 00:31:13,840 professional personally I'd like it to 601 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:17,080 say if symptoms persist see your GP or 602 00:31:22,409 --> 00:31:20,290 pharmacist the last these days we have 603 00:31:29,789 --> 00:31:22,419 so many pharmacists selling quackery 604 00:31:32,789 --> 00:31:29,799 maybe that's not such a good idea the 605 00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:32,799 rest of this little booklet is really a 606 00:31:37,740 --> 00:31:34,720 catalogue of the products on offer from 607 00:31:39,690 --> 00:31:37,750 the boron company there's even a page 608 00:31:44,750 --> 00:31:39,700 here dealing with what products to get 609 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:44,760 for first aid also allergies irritation 610 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:47,410 teething flu-like symptoms 611 00:31:54,740 --> 00:31:51,370 sore throat colds sinus cold and flu 612 00:31:58,130 --> 00:31:54,750 cough and chest congestion gas 613 00:32:01,140 --> 00:31:58,140 interjection pain hemorrhoids 614 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:01,150 sleeplessness stress hot flushes 615 00:32:11,450 --> 00:32:05,610 menstrual cramps PMS yeast infection 616 00:32:15,810 --> 00:32:13,830 so if you're in the United States or 617 00:32:18,570 --> 00:32:15,820 Canada I would imagine next time you're 618 00:32:21,299 --> 00:32:18,580 in a supermarket or pharmacy it might be 619 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:21,309 worth checking out the boron displayed 620 00:32:26,700 --> 00:32:24,730 to see some of these medications for 621 00:32:30,860 --> 00:32:26,710 yourself and you too can pick up their 622 00:32:35,310 --> 00:32:30,870 handy free booklet and marvel at the 623 00:32:37,230 --> 00:32:35,320 product range and don't forget that the 624 00:32:39,690 --> 00:32:37,240 Center for skeptical inquiry is 625 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:39,700 currently undertaking a lawsuit against 626 00:33:02,580 --> 00:32:43,570 serious pharmacies for stalking and 627 00:33:04,770 --> 00:33:02,590 selling homeopathic products hello this 628 00:33:07,020 --> 00:33:04,780 is Rob Palmer you may have heard of me 629 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:07,030 lately I've been interviewing scientists 630 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:08,890 sceptics and other critical thinkers 631 00:33:13,530 --> 00:33:10,570 from around the world for my column in 632 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:13,540 The Skeptical Inquirer and recently some 633 00:33:19,620 --> 00:33:18,010 for the skeptic zone my written 634 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:19,630 interviews have included Jain novella 635 00:33:24,030 --> 00:33:21,090 from the skeptics guide to the universe 636 00:33:26,430 --> 00:33:24,040 mass psychogenic illness expert Robert 637 00:33:28,919 --> 00:33:26,440 Bartholomew Celeste you award from 638 00:33:31,919 --> 00:33:28,929 squaring the strange psychic busted 639 00:33:34,380 --> 00:33:31,929 private I bought Nygaard skeptical 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00:34:26,080 has arrived in my inbox and this really 655 00:34:31,399 --> 00:34:28,210 follows on from our previous story about 656 00:34:34,830 --> 00:34:31,409 homeopathy in the United States the 657 00:34:38,250 --> 00:34:34,840 newsletter is entitled our judicial 658 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:38,260 review over accreditation of society of 659 00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:41,050 homeopaths to be heard March 18th and 660 00:34:46,379 --> 00:34:44,250 19th the newsletter goes on to say 661 00:34:48,570 --> 00:34:46,389 supporters of ours will remember that 662 00:34:51,330 --> 00:34:48,580 good thinking challenge the Professional 663 00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:51,340 Standards Authority PSA the government 664 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:52,960 body that oversees health care 665 00:34:59,550 --> 00:34:55,690 regulators over their failure to protect 666 00:35:02,070 --> 00:34:59,560 vulnerable autistic children from anti 667 00:35:05,820 --> 00:35:02,080 vaccine proponents and potentially 668 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:05,830 harmful cures the PSA accredited the 669 00:35:10,140 --> 00:35:07,330 Society of homeopaths 670 00:35:15,810 --> 00:35:10,150 despite registrants of the Society of 671 00:35:21,260 --> 00:35:15,820 homeopaths offering cease that's C e ase 672 00:35:24,030 --> 00:35:21,270 therapy an anti vaccine cure for autism 673 00:35:26,190 --> 00:35:24,040 that challenge has now been scheduled to 674 00:35:28,740 --> 00:35:26,200 be heard by the High Court on March the 675 00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,750 18th and 19th where we will have the 676 00:35:33,420 --> 00:35:30,640 opportunity to make our full case before 677 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:33,430 a judge and to explain why we feel the 678 00:35:39,330 --> 00:35:37,090 PSA acted unlawfully in their decision 679 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:39,340 to lend credibility to the Society of 680 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:41,410 homeopaths and their members some of 681 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:44,170 whom offer cease therapy if our 682 00:35:49,890 --> 00:35:46,690 challenge is successful it could see the 683 00:35:52,770 --> 00:35:49,900 accreditation decision quashed annulled 684 00:35:55,260 --> 00:35:52,780 by the court meaning that the PSA could 685 00:35:57,060 --> 00:35:55,270 be ordered to make a new decision this 686 00:35:59,790 --> 00:35:57,070 time properly taking into account the 687 00:36:02,190 --> 00:35:59,800 harms associated with cease therapy when 688 00:36:03,570 --> 00:36:02,200 considering whether to RIA credit the 689 00:36:06,510 --> 00:36:03,580 Society of homeopaths 690 00:36:09,420 --> 00:36:06,520 we hope our case will result in the 691 00:36:11,940 --> 00:36:09,430 Society of homeopaths being required by 692 00:36:14,220 --> 00:36:11,950 the PSA to take action to protect 693 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:14,230 autistic children from the harmful 694 00:36:20,610 --> 00:36:17,170 therapies these homeopaths promote or 695 00:36:22,380 --> 00:36:20,620 lose their accredited status when we 696 00:36:26,010 --> 00:36:22,390 took on the case we ask for your support 697 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:26,020 to help us fund raise to meet the legal 698 00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:27,810 costs involved in bringing 699 00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:30,720 judicial review to court you helped us 700 00:36:40,430 --> 00:36:34,320 raise over ten thousand pounds for which 701 00:36:42,050 --> 00:36:40,440 we are extremely grateful and I'm 702 00:36:44,660 --> 00:36:42,060 grateful for that very interesting 703 00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:44,670 update from good thinking in the UK and 704 00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:47,250 I will link to good thinking in this 705 00:36:52,340 --> 00:36:49,440 week's show notes so you too can keep up 706 00:36:55,370 --> 00:36:52,350 to date with their activities and will 707 00:36:57,380 --> 00:36:55,380 keep an eye on this legal challenge to 708 00:36:59,930 --> 00:36:57,390 the accreditation of the Society of 709 00:37:01,060 --> 00:36:59,940 homeopaths which will be heard next 710 00:37:12,500 --> 00:37:01,070 month 711 00:37:12,510 --> 00:37:19,340 [Applause] 712 00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:23,880 hey Richard oh hi Trish hi would you 713 00:37:26,070 --> 00:37:24,670 like a coffee 714 00:37:28,380 --> 00:37:26,080 yeah thanks what are you working on I'm 715 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:28,390 trying to come up with a new promo to 716 00:37:33,690 --> 00:37:30,330 play on the sceptic zone who's it for 717 00:37:36,420 --> 00:37:33,700 the good thinking Society in the UK you 718 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:36,430 know the oh yeah I know them the guys 719 00:37:40,410 --> 00:37:38,290 who recently chased the homeopath out of 720 00:37:42,330 --> 00:37:40,420 the UK public health system oh did they 721 00:37:43,530 --> 00:37:42,340 yeah they campaigned and lobbied 722 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:43,540 government for a while and now you 723 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:46,690 cannot get homeopathy on the NHS so they 724 00:37:50,010 --> 00:37:48,010 can now spend public money on health 725 00:37:52,380 --> 00:37:50,020 care that works Yeah right look I'll 726 00:37:56,940 --> 00:37:52,390 mention that in the promo now their 727 00:37:58,800 --> 00:37:56,950 website is good thinking society org and 728 00:38:00,300 --> 00:37:58,810 that website is a good resource for 729 00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:00,310 learning more about quackery 730 00:38:11,820 --> 00:38:02,320 thanks Trish that gives me something 731 00:38:19,450 --> 00:38:16,810 here's Maynard spooky action at a 732 00:38:25,540 --> 00:38:23,230 I folks may not have just woke up and 733 00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:25,550 wandering at our place in glib to head 734 00:38:32,170 --> 00:38:29,089 to the amazing skeptics in the pub well 735 00:38:34,210 --> 00:38:32,180 all be happening as Gary Kennedy is 736 00:38:37,059 --> 00:38:34,220 there now he was originally a meat 737 00:38:39,130 --> 00:38:37,069 handler and now he's a yeah food 738 00:38:41,620 --> 00:38:39,140 inspector inspecting all sorts of things 739 00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:41,630 from all over the world so having said 740 00:38:46,089 --> 00:38:44,089 to him fairly shortly about that but I'm 741 00:38:47,620 --> 00:38:46,099 just wandering around the whole thing 742 00:38:53,770 --> 00:38:47,630 and hoping I can get there in time 743 00:38:55,150 --> 00:38:53,780 before he finishes talking okay well 744 00:38:56,890 --> 00:38:55,160 we're going up to the top of the wall 745 00:38:58,960 --> 00:38:56,900 now where it'll be all skeptics in the 746 00:39:01,690 --> 00:38:58,970 pub all evening or hang on 747 00:39:03,250 --> 00:39:01,700 and of course so Trish will be around of 748 00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:03,260 course she's very excited about the 749 00:39:09,010 --> 00:39:04,880 whole goop lab thing happening because 750 00:39:09,970 --> 00:39:09,020 she's a huge fan of guns patro I'm here 751 00:39:12,130 --> 00:39:09,980 at the skeptic zone 752 00:39:14,319 --> 00:39:12,140 Gary Kennedy's just sitting quietly in 753 00:39:16,299 --> 00:39:14,329 the corner how are you Gary I'm well BAE 754 00:39:19,390 --> 00:39:16,309 done yourself pretty good now you're a 755 00:39:21,339 --> 00:39:19,400 meat handler but now you're a young now 756 00:39:24,849 --> 00:39:21,349 of course you're a food inspector I'm 757 00:39:26,859 --> 00:39:24,859 legally a sausage judge made up and a 758 00:39:29,799 --> 00:39:26,869 meeting spectacle I'll show you some 759 00:39:33,549 --> 00:39:29,809 photos later but tell me have you been 760 00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:33,559 to China lately not recently but I have 761 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:35,359 colleagues who work over there so I'm 762 00:39:39,460 --> 00:39:37,210 keeping up to date with all of the 763 00:39:41,710 --> 00:39:39,470 coronavirus updates yes 764 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:41,720 well is it a food issue at all can 765 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:43,130 people cough and get this in the food 766 00:39:48,039 --> 00:39:45,290 and send it here and not to my knowledge 767 00:39:50,020 --> 00:39:48,049 it's similar in that sense to the common 768 00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:50,030 cold or influenza 769 00:39:54,730 --> 00:39:52,400 it can't be carried by food but it can 770 00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:54,740 certainly potentially be carried in the 771 00:40:00,670 --> 00:39:57,770 very very short term by food handlers so 772 00:40:02,650 --> 00:40:00,680 you know waitstaff or cooks but you have 773 00:40:05,049 --> 00:40:02,660 to catch it fairly quickly apparently 774 00:40:07,410 --> 00:40:05,059 like a lot of these viruses it dies 775 00:40:10,990 --> 00:40:07,420 really quickly at ambient temperatures 776 00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:11,000 so and ambient conditions it desiccated 777 00:40:15,250 --> 00:40:13,040 dries out so you really have to be 778 00:40:17,859 --> 00:40:15,260 exposed to it quite quickly afterwards 779 00:40:20,109 --> 00:40:17,869 so unless a waiter coughs on you or 780 00:40:22,539 --> 00:40:20,119 someone does that you're unlikely to 781 00:40:23,799 --> 00:40:22,549 catch it in a food service situation and 782 00:40:25,089 --> 00:40:23,809 certainly it's not going to occur in 783 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:25,099 manufactured food you buy the 784 00:40:28,770 --> 00:40:27,530 supermarket now we're on the record here 785 00:40:31,650 --> 00:40:28,780 and you're not where you're 786 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:31,660 Mounties outfit no I'm not I've dived 787 00:40:35,490 --> 00:40:34,090 dressed down for the night if people 788 00:40:37,890 --> 00:40:35,500 want to see you Gary in a Canadian 789 00:40:39,900 --> 00:40:37,900 Mounties outfit it's on my youtube 790 00:40:44,940 --> 00:40:39,910 channel what was that what was that day 791 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:44,950 oh that was let the pride Fair Day and 792 00:40:49,230 --> 00:40:47,410 you were the judge and the Bears had to 793 00:40:50,670 --> 00:40:49,240 hug you and you actually had to judge 794 00:40:52,890 --> 00:40:50,680 and I remember when one hugged you he 795 00:40:55,140 --> 00:40:52,900 like lift you over his shoulders yes yes 796 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:55,150 he did in the mouth he's out there you 797 00:40:59,490 --> 00:40:57,130 will actually catch up beyond actually 798 00:41:00,780 --> 00:40:59,500 with the scientists and putting in the 799 00:41:02,490 --> 00:41:00,790 Mardi Gras float this year for the 800 00:41:05,550 --> 00:41:02,500 cheering circle the gay and lesbian 801 00:41:07,950 --> 00:41:05,560 engineers and scientists and I recommend 802 00:41:09,180 --> 00:41:07,960 people have a listen go to the BBC 803 00:41:12,750 --> 00:41:09,190 website and have a listen to the Pet 804 00:41:14,670 --> 00:41:12,760 Shop Boys cheering sweet they did a all 805 00:41:17,460 --> 00:41:14,680 about his life and about what happened 806 00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:17,470 to him and it was beautifully yeah it's 807 00:41:23,310 --> 00:41:21,250 great yes so the Jeep will be in the 808 00:41:26,130 --> 00:41:23,320 parade and the cheering circles 809 00:41:27,810 --> 00:41:26,140 carbonate will be on top carbon six 810 00:41:29,730 --> 00:41:27,820 electrons say the fluo colours of the 811 00:41:31,230 --> 00:41:29,740 rainbow flag with the Mirrorball nucleus 812 00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:31,240 fair enough - and what are going to talk 813 00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:33,310 to people about tonight food myths the 814 00:41:38,130 --> 00:41:35,200 first thing but my dad seems to think 815 00:41:39,350 --> 00:41:38,140 that food in a buffet situation will 816 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:39,360 kill him 817 00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:43,690 no no the most common get place to get 818 00:41:47,940 --> 00:41:46,000 is 91 the most common place to get food 819 00:41:51,090 --> 00:41:47,950 poisoning is eat at home especially if 820 00:41:54,780 --> 00:41:51,100 you're 91 and why is that because you're 821 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:54,790 a bit less into it no it tends to be 822 00:41:59,130 --> 00:41:57,370 your sight and smell and taste goes so 823 00:42:01,380 --> 00:41:59,140 you can't really tell that the foods not 824 00:42:03,330 --> 00:42:01,390 cooked properly and if you've got 825 00:42:06,330 --> 00:42:03,340 opinion about Gwyneth Paltrow and her 826 00:42:09,330 --> 00:42:06,340 goop oh definitely do with load of crap 827 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:09,340 excuse the French you have fun these 828 00:42:13,410 --> 00:42:10,930 night will chat to you later bye go 829 00:42:15,820 --> 00:42:13,420 I will they doubt thank you 830 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:15,830 so Lara did you learn anything about our 831 00:42:20,530 --> 00:42:19,010 food supply today just verified a lot of 832 00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:20,540 things that I already thought was true 833 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:22,730 which is quite satisfying when that 834 00:42:28,180 --> 00:42:25,850 happens yeah I've been trying to teach 835 00:42:29,350 --> 00:42:28,190 to my kids at school all right so what 836 00:42:32,530 --> 00:42:29,360 do you normally mention to them in a 837 00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:32,540 broad way lots of those things come up 838 00:42:35,170 --> 00:42:33,920 in lots of different lessons so if we 839 00:42:35,980 --> 00:42:35,180 talk about the electric motor spectrum 840 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:35,990 we might be talking about food 841 00:42:41,620 --> 00:42:38,930 irradiation genetically modified foods 842 00:42:44,170 --> 00:42:41,630 comes up in the air tank course and you 843 00:42:45,550 --> 00:42:44,180 know they they're young they they're 844 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:45,560 getting the information from I suppose 845 00:42:49,300 --> 00:42:47,930 the internet and their parents so they 846 00:42:51,790 --> 00:42:49,310 have a lot of things that they think 847 00:42:53,290 --> 00:42:51,800 it's true and then I just come in and 848 00:42:56,770 --> 00:42:53,300 let them know what the actual science is 849 00:43:01,720 --> 00:42:56,780 behind it that must make you its smiley 850 00:43:03,550 --> 00:43:01,730 from time to time yeah smile happy now 851 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:03,560 how are you with the whole they do what 852 00:43:06,820 --> 00:43:05,690 did you learn about our food tonight 853 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:06,830 I thought that was absolutely 854 00:43:11,140 --> 00:43:09,050 fascinating wasn't that brilliant I 855 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:11,150 don't I learnt so much but also it 856 00:43:14,620 --> 00:43:12,530 reinforced the knowledge that I already 857 00:43:16,300 --> 00:43:14,630 had which is always really nice it's 858 00:43:18,100 --> 00:43:16,310 nice and it you know it closes the door 859 00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:18,110 what is the weirdest thing you've ever 860 00:43:25,540 --> 00:43:21,680 eaten I've eaten the Japanese Blowfish 861 00:43:30,580 --> 00:43:25,550 thing and my face went numb so I ate an 862 00:43:33,820 --> 00:43:30,590 African fat bottom dant right and how 863 00:43:36,370 --> 00:43:33,830 big is that well it was bigger than I 864 00:43:38,140 --> 00:43:36,380 thought it was gonna be when my students 865 00:43:40,060 --> 00:43:38,150 said that they were gonna dare me to 866 00:43:42,250 --> 00:43:40,070 Eastern and I was in visiting a little 867 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:42,260 British style and but it turns out 868 00:43:47,890 --> 00:43:46,490 African fat bottomed dancehall fat 869 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:47,900 bottomed ants they make the rock and 870 00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:50,570 we'll go round they do I would not 871 00:43:53,790 --> 00:43:51,920 recommend it and what about you Trish 872 00:43:58,600 --> 00:43:53,800 what's the weirdest thing you've eaten 873 00:44:06,720 --> 00:43:58,610 well I love the way she grabs the mic 874 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:09,870 a skeptical conference at QED a few 875 00:44:13,140 --> 00:44:11,290 years back they gave out shot glasses 876 00:44:15,570 --> 00:44:13,150 full of mealworms which was awesome 877 00:44:17,580 --> 00:44:15,580 during a talk about future foods which 878 00:44:19,050 --> 00:44:17,590 is fantastic they were dead they were 879 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:19,060 crispy they were very nice at ease this 880 00:44:23,820 --> 00:44:21,370 is slightly look slightly nutty but I 881 00:44:25,590 --> 00:44:23,830 also went to a restaurant in London if 882 00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:25,600 anyone I don't even exist but there was 883 00:44:31,020 --> 00:44:26,640 a restaurant in London called 884 00:44:35,340 --> 00:44:31,030 archipelago and it had all sorts of food 885 00:44:38,910 --> 00:44:35,350 so we ate bees which bees interesting we 886 00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:38,920 had alligator we had - we had crickets 887 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:40,480 salad which was really nice actually 888 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:42,970 really nice and yeah it was amazing it 889 00:44:47,370 --> 00:44:44,770 was good to see what's the weirdest 890 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:47,380 thing you've ever eaten sir I've been 891 00:44:51,090 --> 00:44:49,090 pretty conservative so I think a 892 00:44:53,340 --> 00:44:51,100 kangaroo steak is probably the weirdest 893 00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:53,350 thing yeah fair enough and what about 894 00:44:59,220 --> 00:44:58,000 you I think I've eaten kangaroo 895 00:45:04,430 --> 00:44:59,230 crocodile EMU 896 00:45:10,890 --> 00:45:04,440 bear reindeer chicken heart was fun 897 00:45:12,740 --> 00:45:10,900 dried fish jerky like and chocolate that 898 00:45:16,350 --> 00:45:12,750 was crunchy because I had bugs in it 899 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:16,360 intentionally also I had a nice 900 00:45:19,740 --> 00:45:17,890 chocolate with a cockroach in it on 901 00:45:21,930 --> 00:45:19,750 Christmas Day no New Year's Day yes 902 00:45:24,270 --> 00:45:21,940 intentionally no that was unintentional 903 00:45:27,570 --> 00:45:24,280 and what about thing you've eaten you 904 00:45:30,330 --> 00:45:27,580 think scorpion Oh what was like crunchy 905 00:45:32,070 --> 00:45:30,340 was it it was bloody awful but it's 906 00:45:34,410 --> 00:45:32,080 supposed to be a delicacy over in 907 00:45:36,780 --> 00:45:34,420 Thailand I had it in Thailand and the 908 00:45:38,730 --> 00:45:36,790 street vendor that sold it to me gave it 909 00:45:40,620 --> 00:45:38,740 to me nice and crunchy very pleased with 910 00:45:42,930 --> 00:45:40,630 himself but he forgot to remove the 911 00:45:45,690 --> 00:45:42,940 stinger which had a particularly potent 912 00:45:47,610 --> 00:45:45,700 itchy stinging poison in it deep fried 913 00:45:49,890 --> 00:45:47,620 what was it it was deep fried yes 914 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:49,900 lightly crammed as well and what about 915 00:45:54,060 --> 00:45:51,010 you what's the weirdest thing you think 916 00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:54,070 you've eaten mmm probably congealed pork 917 00:46:00,450 --> 00:45:57,970 blood with herbs what was that that was 918 00:46:01,849 --> 00:46:00,460 in Vietnam yeah it was a bit of a 919 00:46:04,009 --> 00:46:01,859 language issue 920 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:04,019 okay so you actually asked for fried 921 00:46:08,930 --> 00:46:06,450 chicken and got that no I just said yes 922 00:46:10,549 --> 00:46:08,940 when my relatives asked me if I wanted 923 00:46:13,940 --> 00:46:10,559 to try this dish and I thought it was a 924 00:46:15,529 --> 00:46:13,950 soup okay well you're still here look 925 00:46:18,289 --> 00:46:15,539 fine oh we've got someone down the end 926 00:46:19,459 --> 00:46:18,299 of this Jenny's mine yes well here's 927 00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:19,469 something even weirder 928 00:46:23,900 --> 00:46:22,079 so kangaroo is less common of an animal 929 00:46:26,539 --> 00:46:23,910 but chicken is more common out of an 930 00:46:27,499 --> 00:46:26,549 animal but less commonly consumed our 931 00:46:31,660 --> 00:46:27,509 chicken feet 932 00:46:34,249 --> 00:46:31,670 pet chicken feed a few times yeah okay 933 00:46:35,690 --> 00:46:34,259 well it's kind of weird and at the end 934 00:46:38,209 --> 00:46:35,700 of the table here what's the weirdest 935 00:46:41,180 --> 00:46:38,219 thing you've eaten sir 936 00:46:44,749 --> 00:46:41,190 probably whale i think it was whale 937 00:46:46,130 --> 00:46:44,759 jerky and was that in japan yes it was 938 00:46:50,299 --> 00:46:46,140 at one of those restaurants where they 939 00:46:54,170 --> 00:46:50,309 serve a tiny bit of everything and the 940 00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:54,180 host you know the we eat the next item 941 00:46:58,959 --> 00:46:56,729 it was like a tiny strip with about this 942 00:47:02,180 --> 00:46:58,969 big and what do you think that was and 943 00:47:04,249 --> 00:47:02,190 they said it was well so do you suspect 944 00:47:07,699 --> 00:47:04,259 there might have been dolphin even on 945 00:47:10,759 --> 00:47:07,709 the menu there it didn't come up 946 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:10,769 Wow okay and what a test like was a very 947 00:47:15,529 --> 00:47:13,650 fatty I imagine I don't remember I 948 00:47:18,410 --> 00:47:15,539 actually for some reason I recalled 949 00:47:20,449 --> 00:47:18,420 being a jerky rather than in a fatty 950 00:47:24,709 --> 00:47:20,459 form but I could be misremembering this 951 00:47:26,380 --> 00:47:24,719 would have been 2006 or so 2007 well 952 00:47:30,140 --> 00:47:26,390 you're still standing you're doing well 953 00:47:32,479 --> 00:47:30,150 wael twice and puffin but that wasn't in 954 00:47:38,299 --> 00:47:32,489 Japan that was in Norway in Iceland 955 00:47:39,739 --> 00:47:38,309 Norway top place yeah okay Gary's a tall 956 00:47:42,049 --> 00:47:39,749 in court hit now what's the weirdest 957 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:42,059 thing you've ever eaten so I'm having 958 00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:44,130 always been pretty conservative with my 959 00:47:48,349 --> 00:47:45,599 with my eating but when I was a boy 960 00:47:50,839 --> 00:47:48,359 scout once I did I was actually given a 961 00:47:53,340 --> 00:47:50,849 live pigeon and had to create a meal out 962 00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:53,350 of it and eat it and I did 963 00:48:00,030 --> 00:47:56,290 how'd you go I killed it 964 00:48:03,420 --> 00:48:00,040 using the approved method and I cooked 965 00:48:05,340 --> 00:48:03,430 it in a fire and agent that is pretty 966 00:48:07,050 --> 00:48:05,350 well that's that's that's the best one 967 00:48:09,660 --> 00:48:07,060 so far what's the weirdest thing you've 968 00:48:12,980 --> 00:48:09,670 eaten the most repulsive thing I've ever 969 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:12,990 eaten is carob coated dried pineapple 970 00:48:17,580 --> 00:48:15,130 it's why the few things are spread out 971 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:17,590 almost immediately is quite revolting 972 00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:19,210 but I want to mention something else 973 00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:22,210 actually I was introduced to a Southeast 974 00:48:30,540 --> 00:48:27,520 Asian food called duty in duty in do you 975 00:48:32,010 --> 00:48:30,550 are I am and as anyone's been in 976 00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:32,020 Southeast Asia is aware of this it's 977 00:48:34,770 --> 00:48:33,610 illegal to put on planes because it 978 00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:34,780 stinks so badly 979 00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:36,730 it smells like rotten meat it's very 980 00:48:43,230 --> 00:48:39,280 repulsive and smell I tried it I thought 981 00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,240 I don't really like it but some years 982 00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:45,760 later three four years later I smelt it 983 00:48:49,860 --> 00:48:47,680 and I thought it smelt wonderful 984 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:49,870 something had changed in my tastes and 985 00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:51,490 smelled perception and I think it's a 986 00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:54,690 wonderful flavor some fruity fruit now a 987 00:48:58,800 --> 00:48:57,280 completely changed give it again thank 988 00:49:04,800 --> 00:48:58,810 you 989 00:49:08,070 --> 00:49:04,810 on there okay well I hate suit sea 990 00:49:09,930 --> 00:49:08,080 cucumbers once but it was in Russia okay 991 00:49:12,180 --> 00:49:09,940 and all I could do was point to the menu 992 00:49:14,190 --> 00:49:12,190 and I don't quite lean not quite know 993 00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:14,200 whether they were vegetable or animal to 994 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:18,880 be honest a very bland also that's a 995 00:49:22,770 --> 00:49:21,010 wrap for skeptics in the pub the next 996 00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:22,780 one will be on the 5th of March where 997 00:49:25,410 --> 00:49:24,400 it'll all be happening and do we know 998 00:49:29,340 --> 00:49:25,420 who the special guests for the 5th of 999 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:29,350 marches now Lady gaga to go to the 1000 00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:30,850 website where's the website that we go 1001 00:49:36,570 --> 00:49:33,850 to to find out who's on next month you 1002 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:36,580 can go to meetup.com and then search for 1003 00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:38,890 Sydney's get books in the pub and just 1004 00:49:43,170 --> 00:49:40,690 imagine all the stuff that Richard had 1005 00:49:57,900 --> 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